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Drak Morgan
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:25:00 -
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This has been a fun read. I like how the debate favors PvP and miners feel then need to weigh in... but most miss that that Pvper are making mining profitable. In Eve increased risk equals increased rewards. Blowing up miners makes ore, minerals, and ice more profitable because the demand increases as supplies get harder to come by.
I can see great treks across systems as mining fleets with a vangaurd of PvP fit BS, BC, Tacklers, and Scouts search for a single Veldspar asteroid belt. Bloody battles ensue while contesting mining corps war in High and Low sec for the scant resources. Concord unwilling to get involved in such disputes. Unlicensed solo miners are perused by gankers and concord alike similar to runaway slaves hounded by packs of wild dogs; or chased off by corps to keep them from poaching their own dwindling resources. WH and Null sec being the only places where resources are truly abundant. Maybe the day will come when mining isn't an AFK activity and all Macrominer burn in Eve hell. |
Drak Morgan
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:41:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:I think she/he was referring to miners in regard to the topic, not miners in general...
I think that is the point, too. Mining and PvP feed each other in Eve, Mining gets stuff build, PvP make mining harder so stuff costs more... Blah blah blah. But the current goals are a the point here, and Mining is way ahead of the other areas. (By more than 10% points in most cases.)
Currently (as I post) Mining is 34% of the way to its 25.7Bil goal. While Isk Destroyed (i.e. PvP) has a 5.34 Tril isk goal with only 22% of it met.
Some good fleet battles can pump that up a few of billion per engagement, especially if capitals are involved and get popped. But for general PvP'ers (Ganks, Camps, and Solo, etc) they are going to have a much harder time and have to look for the highest isk targets to go after. Orcas, freighters etc... They could maybe target l4 mission runners (Marauders), and the SoE Cruisers and BS, but in the end Mining is still going to pull out a head because a low skill miner (>1 month old in a free Venture) can make 5 to 20mil isk per hour in highsec, and have little to worry about... A fleet of with Macs and Orcas in high have Concord protecting them from PvP even in 0.5, and their isk/hr is much higher than that lone Venture mining Veldspar. |
Drak Morgan
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:31:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:That's 25 billion m3 ... not 25 billion ISK.
Opps my bad, I misread it.
So off the top of my head using your numbers each miner is can mine about 1/100000 to 3/100000 percent of the total goal per hour for mining... okay looks like a small number.
BUT for bounties example the average bounty/hour earned in a l4 high sec mission is about 13million (give or take) or about 1/500000 of a percent. I won't even go into PvP but I would argue that it a much smaller number per hour, only getting bumped when fleet battle occur involving capital ships getting popped.
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Drak Morgan
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:06:00 -
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Here is the solution. Train into a bkackops or covert ops; get cloaking high. Strap on your miners and upgrades and implants, sit more than 2km from your roid with a glass of warm milk your blanky and a cookie and just cloak when the gankers come for you. Forget ship bonuses and crap cuz you don't want to play the game right anyway. |
Drak Morgan
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:34:00 -
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Accept everyone is out to get you. Embrace the darkside and get your cookie. ;) |
Drak Morgan
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:48:00 -
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Bounties make up about 25% to 30% of the missions income. So a L4 that nets 45mil in an hour once you've sold off savage and loot, generally doesn't get bank more than 10mil to 15mil in bounty... doesn't touch that 100mil bounty you assume, or I'd buy a plex every week. L5 are worse because uou can't solo them (or I can't atleast). |
Drak Morgan
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Posted - 2014.05.12 12:05:00 -
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So who is willing to donate a few caps to the cause so that tears can get harvested in the next 23 and change hours? Gotta get those drones people. :)
Last night I watch a few attempts at miner tears that got Concorded in a 0.5 in less that 30 seconds. That poor abused orca with his shields only barely dented got to loot and salvage 3 cruisers with t2 fits, it such an unfair world for those poor picked on miners. (And I'm sure these efforts amounting <300mil loses didn't get added to the isk destroyed.) |
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